Vic Ortiz also contributes to the Silverbird album Broken Treaties, at least as a songwriter; how he is related to the others is unclear.  While he is almost certainly not the boxer Victor Ortiz – Ortiz also appeared earlier this year on Dancing with the Stars – Vic Ortiz is still listed on innumerable Internet sites with the boxer’s nickname:  Vicious Vic Ortiz. 

(August 2013)